Development of Image Processing for Crack Detection on Concrete Structures through Terrestrial Laser Scanning Associated with the Octree Structure
Round 1
Reviewer 1 Report
There are 6 main issues that the authors must address before this paper can be considered further
The authors need to stream line the paper to better describe the fact that they are using both images (not just imagery processing techniques) and lidar. This needs to be clarified in the title, the abstract and elsewhere. The choice to use the dual data set must be justified as it involves a lot of extra work that is not fully justified in the text.
The technique is only tried on 1 case at 3 different data densities. Changing the data densities should be part of a sensitivity study as part of a Discussion section where the advantages and disadvantages are clearly compared. Move this work to after the results and make it a proper section
Two more cases of different walls must be included in the results section (only present the ones with the best results (see comments above as to changing the densities)
A quantitative means needs to be developed to discuss success and failure
Authors must at least discuss width versus length documentation
The paper lacks a proper literature review. There are very few papers of relevance cited and most are extremely old. Please remove all references that are more than 10 years old unless your project is using a technique that is described in the older paper. Some references of high relevance are listed below.
Relevant algorithms on concrete cracks and terrestrial laser scanning past 10 years
Koch, C., Georgieva, K., Kasireddy, V., Akinci, B. and Fieguth, P., 2015. A review on computer vision based defect detection and condition assessment of concrete and asphalt civil infrastructure. Advanced Engineering Informatics, 29(2), pp.196-210.
Laefer, D.F., Truong-Hong, L., Carr, H. and Singh, M., 2014. Crack detection limits in unit based masonry with terrestrial laser scanning. Ndt & E International, 62, pp.66-76.
Li, T., Almond, D.P. and Rees, D.A.S., 2011. Crack imaging by scanning pulsed laser spot thermography. NDT & E International, 44(2), pp.216-225.
Giri, P. and Kharkovsky, S., 2016. Detection of surface crack in concrete using measurement technique with laser displacement sensor. IEEE Transactions on Instrumentation and Measurement, 65(8), pp.1951-1953.
Kim, M.K., Sohn, H. and Chang, C.C., 2014. Localization and quantification of concrete spalling defects using terrestrial laser scanning. Journal of Computing in Civil Engineering, 29(6), p.04014086.
Valença, J., Puente, I., Júlio, E., González-Jorge, H. and Arias-Sánchez, P., 2017. Assessment of cracks on concrete bridges using image processing supported by laser scanning survey. Construction and Building Materials, 146, pp.668-678.
Anil, E.B., Akinci, B., Garrett, J.H. and Kurc, O., 2013. Characterization of laser scanners for detecting cracks for post-earthquake damage inspection. In International Symposium on Automation and Robotics in Construction and Mining (ISARC), Montreal, QC.
Laefer, D.F., Gannon, J. and Deely, E., 2010. Reliability of crack detection methods for baseline condition assessments. Journal of Infrastructure Systems, 16(2), pp.129-137.
Xu, X., Yang, H. and Neumann, I., 2015. Concrete crack measurement and analysis based on terrestrial laser scanning technology. Sens. Trans. J., 186(3), pp.168-17
Song, M., Yousefianmoghadam, S., Mohammadi, M.E., Moaveni, B., Stavridis, A. and Wood, R.L., 2018. An application of finite element model updating for damage assessment of a two-story reinforced concrete building and comparison with lidar. Structural Health Monitoring, 17(5), pp.1129-1150.
Lõhmus, H., Ellmann, A., Märdla, S. and Idnurm, S., 2018. Terrestrial laser scanning for the monitoring of bridge load tests–two case studies. Survey Review, 50(360), pp.270-284.
Baeza, F.J., Ivorra, S., Bru, D. and Varona, F.B., 2018. Structural health monitoring systems for smart heritage and infrastructures in Spain. In Mechatronics for Cultural Heritage and Civil Engineering (pp. 271-294). Springer, Cham.
Use of octree to process lidar
Wang, J., Lindenbergh, R. and Menenti, M., 2017. SigVox–A 3D feature matching algorithm for automatic street object recognition in mobile laser scanning point clouds. ISPRS Journal of Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing, 128, pp.111-129.
Imagery vs lidar
Olsen, M.J., Kuester, F., Chang, B.J. and Hutchinson, T.C., 2009. Terrestrial laser scanning-based structural damage assessment. Journal of Computing in Civil Engineering, 24(3), pp.264-272.
Additionally, do not use the first person in technical writing
Table 2 usually the quality setting is also reported for the Leica units
For Table 4 since factors D and E do not change they do not need to be in the table and can just be mentioned in the text
Case1 (etc) should appear as Case 1
Table 1 should have an extra column specifying what dataset is being processed
Discussion of TLS is not really necessary; reduce to 1-2 sentences and provide a reference. Also the image is highly idealized so I think it provides the wrong impression and should be removed as it assumes perfect perpendicularity
Line 207 you must say RS data and not just RS (fix elsewhere
Fig. 5 is hard to understand. In the caption be explicit as to the input data.
I could not find a rigorous discussion of the input data. As cracks are of different size, using the number of pixels as a descriptor is not helpful. There should be a size as a function of either crack length or even better crack width
Fig. 8 reorganize so that the entire figure remains on 1 page.
Fig. 11 (and elsewhere) have keys that are unreadable
Fig. 12 why don't you create the octree model first? Please discuss this in the text
Authors must clearly state the limits of the detectable crack lengths and widths and this must be put in context with industrial expectations (eg see AASHTO bridge inspection)
In many places the reference comes too late (eg. octree, k-means, Otsu). All should have a reference where they first appear in the text
I find the use of the term stereoscopic with TLS very weird and would strongly suggest its removal
Author Response
We sincerely thank you for the constructive comments. By virtue of the reviewers’ comments and suggestions, the manuscript has been significantly strengthened both in contents and clarity
Reviewer 1
There are 6 main issues that the authors must address before this paper can be considered further.
1. The authors need to stream line the paper to better describe the fact that they are using both images (not just imagery processing techniques) and lidar. This needs to be clarified in the title, the abstract and elsewhere. The choice to use the dual data set must be justified as it involves a lot of extra work that is not fully justified in the text.
This study did not use both image and lidar data, but image processing on the image extracted from the octree structure of lidar data. We made this clear in the title and abstract..
2. The technique is only tried on 1 case at 3 different data densities. Changing the data densities should be part of a sensitivity study as part of a Discussion section where the advantages and disadvantages are clearly compared. Move this work to after the results and make it a proper section. Two more cases of different walls must be included in the results section (only present the ones with the best results (see comments above as to changing the densities). A quantitative means needs to be developed to discuss success and failure
A quantitative evaluation and comparative analysis of imaging and crack results for three case according to the compression ratio have been performed in terms of True Positive (TP), False Negative (FN), and number of False Positive (FP) in Figure 14 and Table 5. Also, the discussion for characteristics of three cases including the advantages and disadvantages has been included in the manuscript.
3. Authors must at least discuss width versus length documentation
The scope of this paper is mostly on the “detection” of cracks using TLS and has not extended to “quantification” of the detected cracks for widths and lengths. The authors believe the quantification can be performed by employing predeveloped algorithms described in these references.
[References]
55. Liu, C., Tang, C. S., Shi, B., & Suo, W. B. (2013). Automatic quantification of crack patterns by image processing. Computers & Geosciences, 57, 77-80.
56. Adhikari, R. S., Moselhi, O., & Bagchi, A. (2014). Image-based retrieval of concrete crack properties for bridge inspection. Automation in construction, 39, 180-194.
57. Liu, Y., Cho, S., Spencer Jr, B. F., & Fan, J. (2014). Automated assessment of cracks on concrete surfaces using adaptive digital image processing. Smart Structures and Systems, 14(4), 719-741.
58. Liu, Y. F., Cho, S., Spencer Jr, B. F., & Fan, J. S. (2014). Concrete crack assessment using digital image processing and 3D scene reconstruction. Journal of Computing in Civil Engineering, 30(1), 04014124.
To clarify this, a sentence is added in Section 4 with the references as
After detecting the cracks using the proposed method, quantification of cracks can be done by employing existing quantification algorithms mostly based on combination of morphological operations, such as median filtering, morphological opening and closing, skeletonization, edge detection, etc. [55-58].
4. The paper lacks a proper literature review. There are very few papers of relevance cited and most are extremely old. Please remove all references that are more than 10 years old unless your project is using a technique that is described in the older paper. Some references of high relevance are listed below.
Relevant algorithms on concrete cracks and terrestrial laser scanning past 10 years
Koch, C., Georgieva, K., Kasireddy, V., Akinci, B. and Fieguth, P., 2015. A review on computer vision based defect detection and condition assessment of concrete and asphalt civil infrastructure. Advanced Engineering Informatics, 29(2), pp.196-210.
Laefer, D.F., Truong-Hong, L., Carr, H. and Singh, M., 2014. Crack detection limits in unit based masonry with terrestrial laser scanning. Ndt & E International, 62, pp.66-76.
Li, T., Almond, D.P. and Rees, D.A.S., 2011. Crack imaging by scanning pulsed laser spot thermography. NDT & E International, 44(2), pp.216-225.
Giri, P. and Kharkovsky, S., 2016. Detection of surface crack in concrete using measurement technique with laser displacement sensor. IEEE Transactions on Instrumentation and Measurement, 65(8), pp.1951-1953.
Kim, M.K., Sohn, H. and Chang, C.C., 2014. Localization and quantification of concrete spalling defects using terrestrial laser scanning. Journal of Computing in Civil Engineering, 29(6), p.04014086.
Valença, J., Puente, I., Júlio, E., González-Jorge, H. and Arias-Sánchez, P., 2017. Assessment of cracks on concrete bridges using image processing supported by laser scanning survey. Construction and Building Materials, 146, pp.668-678.
Anil, E.B., Akinci, B., Garrett, J.H. and Kurc, O., 2013. Characterization of laser scanners for detecting cracks for post-earthquake damage inspection. In International Symposium on Automation and Robotics in Construction and Mining (ISARC), Montreal, QC.
Laefer, D.F., Gannon, J. and Deely, E., 2010. Reliability of crack detection methods for baseline condition assessments. Journal of Infrastructure Systems, 16(2), pp.129-137.
Xu, X., Yang, H. and Neumann, I., 2015. Concrete crack measurement and analysis based on terrestrial laser scanning technology. Sens. Trans. J., 186(3), pp.168-17
Song, M., Yousefianmoghadam, S., Mohammadi, M.E., Moaveni, B., Stavridis, A. and Wood, R.L., 2018. An application of finite element model updating for damage assessment of a two-story reinforced concrete building and comparison with lidar. Structural Health Monitoring, 17(5), pp.1129-1150.
Lõhmus, H., Ellmann, A., Märdla, S. and Idnurm, S., 2018. Terrestrial laser scanning for the monitoring of bridge load tests–two case studies. Survey Review, 50(360), pp.270-284.
Baeza, F.J., Ivorra, S., Bru, D. and Varona, F.B., 2018. Structural health monitoring systems for smart heritage and infrastructures in Spain. In Mechatronics for Cultural Heritage and Civil Engineering (pp. 271-294). Springer, Cham.
Use of octree to process lidar
Wang, J., Lindenbergh, R. and Menenti, M., 2017. SigVox–A 3D feature matching algorithm for automatic street object recognition in mobile laser scanning point clouds. ISPRS Journal of Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing, 128, pp.111-129.
Olsen, M.J., Kuester, F., Chang, B.J. and Hutchinson, T.C., 2009. Terrestrial laser scanning-based structural damage assessment. Journal of Computing in Civil Engineering, 24(3), pp.264-272.
As the reviewer suggests, the introduction has been significantly improved, including all the recommended references for the relevant algorithms on concrete cracks and terrestrial laser scanning, use of octree to process lidar, and imagery vs lidar.
5. Additionally, do not use the first person in technical writing
As the reviewer suggests, the first person expression in all the sentences has been removed.
6. Table 2 usually the quality setting is also reported for the Leica units
The quality setting values of Leica units has been revised in Table 3 and 4.
7. For Table 4 since factors D and E do not change they do not need to be in the table and can just be mentioned in the text
Though the factors A and E do not change for the three Cases (i.e., Original, Case 1, and Case 2), they are also the optimized parameters to catch the cracks at the best. Thus, the factors A and E are kept in Table 4. The use of Otsu’s method is described in section 3.5, so the factor D is removed out from the table as the reviewer recommended.
8. Case1 (etc) should appear as Case 1
They are corrected in Table 4.
9. Table 1 should have an extra column specifying what dataset is being processed
In this paper, the point cloud data obtained by the TLS is visualized as an image form, and it is processed using image processing techniques for crack detection throughout the paper. Thus, the extra column to describe used dataset may not be required. To clarify this, additional sentences are attached in the beginning of Chapter 3 (Line 149) as
The point cloud data obtained by the TLS is compressed by the octree data structure, and it can be converted to an image as shown in Figure 4(a). To detect cracks from the converted image, a series of image processing techniques are used.
10. Discussion of TLS is not really necessary; reduce to 1-2 sentences and provide a reference. Also the image is highly idealized so I think it provides the wrong impression and should be removed as it assumes perfect perpendicularity
As the reviewer suggests, the discussion of TSL has been considerably reduced and the proper references have been added. Also, Figure 2 which seems to have perfect perpendicularity has been removed.
11. Line 207 you must say RS data and not just RS (fix elsewhere)
In Chapter 3.4, RS and CS are changed to RS data and CS data, as the reviewer recommended.
12. Fig. 5 is hard to understand. In the caption be explicit as to the input data.
The additional description of Fig. 5 is described in the manuscript as below.
Figure 5 illustrates how the subtraction finds cracks against the other objects including shading. Illuminance of the original gray-level visualizes objects in the image, and the median filtering removes out sharp illuminance changes that represent small noises or cracks and remains smoothed background image representing concrete surface, large objects, and shading. Then, the subtraction of the original image from the filtered image removes out the background image while remaining objects with sharp illuminance. Since the crack is visualized by very low illuminance profile with shape change, the crack object can be highlighted from the subtracted image, if combined with subsequent image processing to remove out small noises.
13. I could not find a rigorous discussion of the input data. As cracks are of different size, using the number of pixels as a descriptor is not helpful. There should be a size as a function of either crack length or even better crack width.
This study aims at crack identification by comparison with crack map by visual inspection. For quantitative evaluation of accuracy, TP, FN, and the number of TN of the imaging process results were analyzed. We will proceed a rigorous discussion of the input data by comparing with crack map by visual inspection in the future study.
14. Fig. 8 reorganize so that the entire figure remains on 1 page.
Figure 8 has been edited to fit on 1 page
15. Fig. 11 (and elsewhere) have keys that are unreadable
The keys in Figure 11 has been edited for the good readability,
16. Fig. 12 why don't you create the octree model first? Please discuss this in the text
We added the reason not to create the octree model first in the section 2.2
In this study, the 3D Object model (Voxel model) is first generated to easily remove empty nodes by checking empty cells in the sub and left nodes. Thus, it is efficient to implement segmentation and octree in the spatial properties of 3D objects rather than in irregularly distributed point clouds.
17. Authors must clearly state the limits of the detectable crack lengths and widths and this must be put in context with industrial expectations (eg see AASHTO bridge inspection)
As shown in Figure 15(a), the crack widths obtained by the visual inspection are within 0.2mm. According to the Korean structural inspection guide, the crack width less than 0.1mm leads to the grade of the inspected structure as “a”, and width between 0.1mm and 0.2mm leads to “b”. This means the proposed method can be successfully used as a prospective alternative to the conventional visual inspection. This is stated as the end of Chapter 4 (Line 343) as
Though the cracks are not quantified in this study, the crack widths obtained by visual inspection in Figure 15(a) are within 0.2 mm. According to the Korean structural inspection guide [59], the crack width less than 0.1 mm leads to the grade of the inspected structure as “a”, and width between 0.1 mm and 0.2 mm leads to “b”. Thus, the proposed method can be successfully used as a prospective alternative to the conventional visual of large structure with minimal labor and logistic time.
[59] Korea Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, and Transport (MLIT) and Korea. Guideline for Regular and Detailed Inspection, Korea Infrastructure Safety and Technology Corporation (KISTeC); Jinju, Korea, 2017; pp. 6-23.
18. In many places the reference comes too late (eg. octree, k-means, Otsu). All should have a reference where they first appear in the text
The references of what come up first such as octree, k-means clustering, and Otsu has been edited in order.
19. I find the use of the term stereoscopic with TLS very weird and would strongly suggest its removal
The term "stereoscopic" has been removed and the universal description of TSL has been replaced.
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Reviewer 2 Report
This is a paper on using TLS data for crack detection on concrete surfaces. Although it provides some interesting results, there is an absolute need to improve the quality of the analysis and metrics used to evaluate the accuracy of the presented method. This reviewer has provided the following recommendations to improve this manuscript.
Page 2, Line 41-43: Please provide appropriate references for each of the applications of TLS systems within civil engineering domain.
Page 2, Line 45: Not having "drawings" is not the ONLY reason to use TLS. Maybe in the case of generating as-builts, this statement makes sense. However, this study is all about condition assessment where the major benefit of TLS is in the fact that this is a fast and fairly accurate remote sensing.
Page 2, Line 50: There have been some interesting works on deformation and damage analysis using raw point cloud data, such as:
Jafari, B., Khaloo, A., & Lattanzi, D. (2017). Deformation tracking in 3D point clouds via statistical sampling of direct cloud-to-cloud distances. Journal of Nondestructive Evaluation, 36(4), 65.
Dai, K., Li, A., Zhang, H., Chen, S. E., & Pan, Y. (2018). Surface damage quantification of the post-earthquake building based on terrestrial laser scan data. Structural Control and Health Monitoring, e2210.
Dawood, T., Zhu, Z., & Zayed, T. (2017). Computer vision–based model for moisture marks detection and recognition in subway networks. Journal of Computing in Civil Engineering, 32(2), 04017079.
Law, D. W., Silcock, D., & Holden, L. (2018). Terrestrial laser scanner assessment of deteriorating concrete structures. Structural Control and Health Monitoring, 25(5), e2156.
Khaloo, A., & Lattanzi, D. (2019). Automatic Detection of Structural Deficiencies Using 4D Hue-Assisted Analysis of Color Point Clouds. In Dynamics of Civil Structures, Volume 2(pp. 197-205). Springer, Cham.
Please consider adding them to your literature review.
Page 2, Line 52: It is the first time to use"NURBS" in the paper. Please define the abbreviation, as NURBS stands for "Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines"
Page 2, Line 64: Please provide some references on using neural networks for damage detection.
Page 2, Line 68: Please add "." at the end of the sentence.
Page 3, Line 102: Using TLS does NOT allow to "understand" complex objects, it helps us with easy data collection to generate a 3D virtual model of the physical asset. Also, define the term "point clouds" as a set of points in 3D space.
Page 4, Line 118: Define abbreviations such as DB or DF upon their first appearance in the text.
Page 4, Line 138: Please provide a citation for Tamminen method.
Page 11, Section 4.2: It seems that the authors have decided to use the intensity data collected by the TLS for their crack detection method. However, TLS also provides RGB data of the surface in addition to intensity. Although the RGB data tends to be more sensitive, the authors should at least add a sensitivity study to compare using RGB with intensity. Please check the study by Hou et al. (2017)
Hou, T. C., Liu, J. W., & Liu, Y. W. (2017). Algorithmic clustering of LiDAR point cloud data for textural damage identifications of structural elements. Measurement, 108, 77-90.
Page 12, Line 288: Please add the citation for the Octovis to the paper
Hornung, A., Wurm, K. M., Bennewitz, M., Stachniss, C., & Burgard, W. (2013). OctoMap: An efficient probabilistic 3D mapping framework based on octrees. Autonomous Robots, 34(3), 189-206.
Page 12, Line 290: What is the format of the laser scanned data? Is it PLY, LAS, LAZ, or any other point cloud format? Please indicate it
Page 13, Figure 12: Please provide the Octree Level used for the point cloud compression in each case.
Page 13, Line 298: Since authors made a snapshot of the original point cloud model, why they used 3026 x 1620 pixels, while they could zoom-in and even make a better resolution image. Please elaborate.
Page 13: It is standard practice to measure point cloud compression performance in bits per point (bpp) and the loss of quality by the peak signal to noise ratio (PSNR). Please provide these analyses in your work. You can find more about bpp and PSNR in papers such as Schnabel, R., & Klein, R. (2006). Octree-based Point-Cloud Compression. Spbg, 6, 111-120.
Page 14: There is an absolute need to add a much better quantitative analysis to test the performance of the presented algorithm. The authors are highly encouraged to use standard metrics such as Precision, Recall, and F1-score to evaluate their method and compare it against the state-of-the-art.
Page 14, Line 354: Please provide a proper citation for the Taleb's Method.
Page 14: The authors are highly encouraged to compare their algorithm with more advanced methods from the literature, to provide better insights into the strengths of their method.
Author Response
This is a paper on using TLS data for crack detection on concrete surfaces. Although it provides some interesting results, there is an absolute need to improve the quality of the analysis and metrics used to evaluate the accuracy of the presented method. This reviewer has provided the following recommendations to improve this manuscript.
1. Page 2, Line 41-43: Please provide appropriate references for each of the applications of TLS systems within civil engineering domain.
As the other reviewer also pointed out the lack of literature review, introduction has been considerable improved by using proper references of various applications of TSL.
2. Page 2, Line 45: Not having "drawings" is not the ONLY reason to use TLS. Maybe in the case of generating as-builts, this statement makes sense. However, this study is all about condition assessment where the major benefit of TLS is in the fact that this is a fast and fairly accurate remote sensing.
As the reviewer comments, the specific purpose of TSL such as "drawings" has been removed and the general purpose of TSL has been added using the fact that "TSL is a fast and fairly accurate remote sensing"
3. Page 2, Line 50: There have been some interesting works on deformation and damage analysis using raw point cloud data, such as:
Jafari, B., Khaloo, A., & Lattanzi, D. (2017). Deformation tracking in 3D point clouds via statistical sampling of direct cloud-to-cloud distances. Journal of Nondestructive Evaluation, 36(4), 65.
Dai, K., Li, A., Zhang, H., Chen, S. E., & Pan, Y. (2018). Surface damage quantification of the post-earthquake building based on terrestrial laser scan data. Structural Control and Health Monitoring, e2210.
Dawood, T., Zhu, Z., & Zayed, T. (2017). Computer vision–based model for moisture marks detection and recognition in subway networks. Journal of Computing in Civil Engineering, 32(2), 04017079.
Law, D. W., Silcock, D., & Holden, L. (2018). Terrestrial laser scanner assessment of deteriorating concrete structures. Structural Control and Health Monitoring, 25(5), e2156.
Khaloo, A., & Lattanzi, D. (2019). Automatic Detection of Structural Deficiencies Using 4D Hue-Assisted Analysis of Color Point Clouds. In Dynamics of Civil Structures, Volume 2(pp. 197-205). Springer, Cham.
Please consider adding them to your literature review.
As the reviewer comments, the introduction has been considerably improved using the recommend references.
4. Page 2, Line 52: It is the first time to use "NURBS" in the paper. Please define the abbreviation, as NURBS stands for "Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines"
The term "NURBS" has been defined as ""Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines" in the manuscript.
5. Page 2, Line 64: Please provide some references on using neural networks for damage detection.
Line 64 has been changed with proper references as
Moon and Kim [31] used neural network to detect cracks from images, and Kawamura et al. [32] used genetic algorithm to extract crack patterns from digital images.
[31: Neural network]
Moon, H., & Kim, J. (2011). Intelligent crack detecting algorithm on the concrete crack image using neural network. Proceedings of the 28th ISARC, 1461-1467.
[32: Genetic Algorithm]
Kawamura K., Miyamoto A., Nakamura H., Sato R.: Proposal of a crack pattern extraction method from digital images using an interactive genetic algorithm. Proc. Japan Soc. Civil Eng. 742, 115–131 (2003)
6. Page 2, Line 68: Please add "." at the end of the sentence.
The comma “.” is added at the end of the sentence as the reviewer points out.
7. Page 3, Line 102: Using TLS does NOT allow to "understand" complex objects, it helps us with easy data collection to generate a 3D virtual model of the physical asset. Also, define the term "point clouds" as a set of points in 3D space.
As the reviewer suggests, the sentence "TSL allows to understand ~" has been modified as the following.
Terrestrial laser scanning is a technology that helps users to get easy data collection in generating a 3D virtual model of the physical asset using point clouds as a set of points in 3D space.
8. Page 4, Line 118: Define abbreviations such as DB or DF upon their first appearance in the text.
The first appeared abbreviations such as DB and DF have been defined as the full name like database (DB), depth first (DF)
9. Page 4, Line 138: Please provide a citation for Tamminen method.
The proper reference for Tamminen method has been added.
10. Page 11, Section 4.2: It seems that the authors have decided to use the intensity data collected by the TLS for their crack detection method. However, TLS also provides RGB data of the surface in addition to intensity. Although the RGB data tends to be more sensitive, the authors should at least add a sensitivity study to compare using RGB with intensity. Please check the study by Hou et al. (2017)
The reference of Hou et al. (2017) used clustering algorithms for both intensity and RGB data for three types of damages: metal rusting, tile spall off, and water staining on finished wall. The clustering algorithm worked better with the RGB data on metal rusting and tile spall off, since these two damages types makes significant change on the colors. Meanwhile, the clustering algorithm worked better with the intensity data on water staining, since this damage does not involve serious color change. (See Table 5 of Hou et al. (2017)).
We have also tried our method on both intensity data with RGB collected by the TLS, and any remarkable advance has not been observed. That’s why we aim to detect cracks on the concrete wall, in which no significant color change is involved. This is very similar to the water staining case of Hou et al. (2017).
But the reference of Hou et al. (2017) is very relevant to our study, and we will progress our study for other types of structures, such as tiled buildings and metal structures, that has colorful background. We really appreciate the reviewer’s suggestion.
11. Page 12, Line 288: Please add the citation for the Octovis to the paper
The following reference of Octovis has been added.
Hornung, A., Wurm, K. M., Bennewitz, M., Stachniss, C., & Burgard, W. (2013). OctoMap: An efficient probabilistic 3D mapping framework based on octrees. Autonomous Robots, 34(3), 189-206.
12. Page 12, Line 290: What is the format of the laser scanned data? Is it PLY, LAS, LAZ, or any other point cloud format? Please indicate it
The format of the laser scanned data has been indicated as "PTS" in the manuscript.
13. Page 13, Figure 12: Please provide the Octree Level used for the point cloud compression in each case.
The octree level in the all the cases has been informed in the Table 3.
14. Page 13, Line 298: Since authors made a snapshot of the original point cloud model, why they used 3026 x 1620 pixels, while they could zoom-in and even make a better resolution image. Please elaborate.
The original snapshot resolution was 1513 x 810 pixels, but a 3026 x 1620 pixel image with the doubled resolution was applied for precise crack detection. Also, this contents has been revised in the manuscript.
15. Page 13: It is standard practice to measure point cloud compression performance in bits per point (bpp) and the loss of quality by the peak signal to noise ratio (PSNR). Please provide these analyses in your work. You can find more about bpp and PSNR in papers such as Schnabel, R., & Klein, R. (2006). Octree-based Point-Cloud Compression. Spbg, 6, 111-120.
The main point of our study is that main cracks can be effectively identified by applying the K-means clustering on the image extracted from the octree technique of TSL data. In this regard, we did not examine the cloud quality such as bpp and PSNR deeply, but will review it in the next study.
16. Page 14: There is an absolute need to add a much better quantitative analysis to test the performance of the presented algorithm. The authors are highly encouraged to use standard metrics such as Precision, Recall, and F1-score to evaluate their method and compare it against the state-of-the-art.
A quantitative evaluation and comparative analysis of imaging and crack results for three case according to the compression ratio have been performed in terms of True Positive (TP), False Negative (FN), and number of False Positive (FP) in Figure 14 and Table 5. Also, the discussion for characteristics of three cases including the advantages and disadvantages has been included in the manuscript.
17. Page 14, Line 354: Please provide a proper citation for the Talab' Method.
The reference of Talab's method has been added.
18. Page 14: The authors are highly encouraged to compare their algorithm with more advanced methods from the literature, to provide better insights into the strengths of their method.
For reasonable comparative analysis with this study, we referred to 2016 Utah Transportation Center Report "Automatic Surface Crack Detection in Concrete Structures using Otsu thresholding and Morphological Operation". It reviewed various recent imaging processes, and reported that Talab's method is one of the most applicable and effective imaging processes in the field.
Also, we could not find other methods other than K-means clustering to efficiently distinguish cracks from sediments, joints, and efflorescence. We do not mean that this study outperforms other imaging process methods, but that the K-means clustering can be an effective way to distinguish cracks from others especially in the laser scanning image.
State of the art report
Sattar Dorafshan, Marc Maguire, Xiaojun Qi, Automatic Surface Crack Detection in Concrete Structures using Otsu thresholding and Morphological Operation, Utah Transportation Center Report 01-2016
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Round 2
Reviewer 1 Report
While the authors have addressed many.of the issues the fact that only 1 case is presented remains a problem. A case is a physical object not a change in resolution or how the data are collected. This remains one of two major outstanding problems in the paper, which would then allow the results of the current cases to be moved into a discussion section; the absence of which is the other current deficit of the paper.
Author Response
We sincerely thank you for the constructive comments.
Review 1
While the authors have addressed many.of the issues the fact that only 1 case is presented remains a problem. A case is a physical object not a change in resolution or how the data are collected. This remains one of two major outstanding problems in the paper, which would then allow the results of the current cases to be moved into a discussion section; the absence of which is the other current deficit of the paper.
As the reviewer comments, the results for only one case seems to be unreliable for the verification. Therefore, we added the results of a clear crack case (with some stains) which has been generally used for the imaging process of crack detection in the Figure 15 on the page 18. Unlike typical image processing methods, we want to inform that the K-means clustering is very effective in distinguishing main cracks from others such as stain, sediment, and effloresce. Also, the proposed method is available for the general purpose.
Reviewer 2 Report
Based on the revisions made by the authors, this paper is now ready for publication.
Author Response
We sincerely thank you for the constructive comments.
Round 3
Reviewer 1 Report
Authors have now addressed my most significant concerns
